Room Conversation , Māyāpur , 1977-02-19

Prabhupāda: ...and actually for the benefit of the human society. They have no other desire.

Hari-śauri: No, they can't stop this movement. It's not possible to stop this movement now.

Prabhupāda: No, it is not possible. That I'm certain. It is advertising indirectly. [laughs]

Hari-śauri: Will things get physically violent?

Prabhupāda: Well, the violence there may be. It doesn't matter.

Hari-śauri: We should... If we have to, we can...

Prabhupāda: Oh, yes. We must... Self-protection must be there.

Hari-śauri: Because now with these kidnappings it seems that we may have to...

Prabhupāda: Fight!

Hari-śauri: Then we'll have to fight.

Prabhupāda: Oh, yes. Why not? Kill them.

Hari-śauri: Yes. If we don't get protection from the government, then what can we do?

Prabhupāda: Oh, you must kill them. Tit for tat. As soon as we detect that "Here is a deprogrammer and kidnapper," kill him. Finish!

Hari-śauri: And if we go to court, then it's self-defense.

Prabhupāda: Yes. At least give him some good lesson. Yes.

Hari-śauri: Oh, yes. Definitely.

Prabhupāda: That should be done.

Hari-śauri: We fought with demons once or twice before that have attacked the temple. We ought to give 'em a good hiding.

Prabhupāda: There is civil war. Why not this?

Hari-śauri: Yes. This is... This is a big fight now.

Prabhupāda: Yes.

Hari-śauri: [laughs] You're the world's greatest revolutionary. [Prabhupāda laughs] [break] Now that we're being attacked like this physically...

Prabhupāda: So we must attack them also.

Hari-śauri: Should we actually have a training program, so that our...

Prabhupāda: No.

Hari-śauri: ... we'd know how to defend? Like you were saying varṇāśrama...

Prabhupāda: Yes.

Hari-śauri: ...system there must be kṣatriya and everything like that.

Prabhupāda: Yes.

Hari-śauri: Should we actually start to...

Prabhupāda: Train.

Hari-śauri: ...train up some of our men so they know how to fight?

Prabhupāda: Yes, why not?

Hari-śauri: 'Cause we have men who know how to use guns. They practice a little. But on the whole, our devotees don't... They're not...

Prabhupāda: They are not trained up.

Hari-śauri: ...trained up to be able to defend themselves, and these people are professional guṇḍās.

Prabhupāda: That...? What is that? "Kirat?" They practice self-defense?

Hari-śauri: Karate.

Prabhupāda: Karate.

Hari-śauri: There's different forms of self-defense. [end]