Room Conversation , Honolulu , 1976-05-12

Prabhupāda: Where did he get this idea, not to trust me? [indistinct]

Govinda dāsī: So that’s what I was trying to ask.

Prabhupāda: Huh?

Govinda dāsī: That’s what I was trying to ask.

Prabhupāda: Hmm?

Govinda dāsī: That was the reason that I was trying to ask those questions.

Prabhupāda: He has become impersonal. He is simply out of the jurisdiction of personal care. The guru is personal or Kṛṣṇa is impersonal?

Govinda dāsī: He speaks of the guru principle and that his spiritual master is within his heart, and that..., and he doesn’t accept the personal service of the physical manifestation.

Prabhupāda: He does not understand. Don’t [indistinct]. Who cares for his philosophy?

Govinda dāsī: Not for very long. I am simply concerned for him.

Prabhupāda: That is natural, but if he wants to avoid being saved, then how can you save him?

Govinda dāsī: Yes.

Prabhupāda: If he wants to commit suicide, then who can save him? He will do it, [indistinct].

Devotee: He’s downstairs in the morning.

Prabhupāda: What he doing?

Devotee: I don’t know. I stay up here during ārati in case you mean...

Prabhupāda: Govinda?

Govinda dāsī: Thank you, Śrīla Prabhupāda. [end]