Morning Walk , Māyāpur , 1976-03-15
Prabhupāda: "...and they are drunkards, they are guṇḍās, and they are creating trouble always." "Oh," He is, "then why not preach amongst them?" You see? This is Caitanya Mahāprabhu's preaching. Hard nut. To accept a hard nut and make it soft. [break] ...who was injured, but His decision to deliver these persons was executed. So why should we neglect China and Russia? China has good relationship now with America.
Hṛdayānanda: Ah, yes.
Prabhupāda: So American gentlemen, doing, to do some business, I think there will be no difficulty.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: No.
Prabhupāda: "We are not going to preach any Kṛṣṇa consciousness. We are going to do some business of our books. That's all."
Gopāla Kṛṣṇa: China they can do books and incense.
Gopāla Kṛṣṇa: He's a Spiritual Sky sales representative or looking into the possibilities of manufacturing incense in China.
Prabhupāda: Yes. And we have got now documents how our books are important. So therefore we want to introduce. Like that.
Puṣṭa Kṛṣṇa: How our books are imported?
Prabhupāda: Yes. Because we have got so many...
Puṣṭa Kṛṣṇa: Important. Oh, important.
Hṛdayānanda: Also you can tell them we're going to import incense to America.
Hṛdayānanda: We could tell them we want to import incense from China to America. They will like that.
Prabhupāda: Oh, yes. You are going for export and import. We want to export books, import incense. On this plea, exchange.
Hṛdayānanda: That is how the Westerners originally entered China.
Prabhupāda: Yes. And similarly, you have got already some inquiries from booksellers from Russia. On that plea---he is also sales organization---do something there. We have got philosophy, books, approved by learned circles. There is good chance. Our Trivikrama Mahārāja reported. He went to that Formosa? Trivikrama?
Prabhupāda: You went there.
Prabhupāda: The report was the men there were very nice.
Trivikrama: Yes, they were.
Prabhupāda: It is by propaganda that "Russians are bad," "Chinese are bad." No. Nowhere the people are bad. Simply the leaders are bad. The men, they are all the same everywhere, everywhere, human nature.
Puṣṭa Kṛṣṇa: Śrīla Prabhupāda?
Puṣṭa Kṛṣṇa: After your meeting this morning with Gopāla Kṛṣṇa, he brought up this point that maybe it would be necessary to edit the books, because...
Puṣṭa Kṛṣṇa: It might be necessary to edit the books, because in these countries when they start reading about God and how we say this government is rascal, rascal this and that, that...
Puṣṭa Kṛṣṇa: Do you think it is necessary?
Prabhupāda: It will be necessary when there will be criticism.
Gopāla Kṛṣṇa: Later on. But at the present moment they have shown interest in our books, so we'll give it the way it is.
Prabhupāda: Yes. That we can correct. There is no... [break] ...is very good boy.
Prabhupāda: I met you in Mexico? No.
Dhṛṣṭadyumna: No, Śrīla Prabhupāda, in Bombay last.
Dhṛṣṭadyumna: Two years ago in India I was here.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: There is one good point. His father is the president of the biggest liquor company in the world, and he has his offices, I think, in China also. He goes to China.
Dhṛṣṭadyumna: Hong Kong. He has been to trade fairs in Peking.
Prabhupāda: Yes. So we are going for trade.
Devotee: That's big.
Hṛdayānanda: Jaya! Kṛṣṇa's arrangement.
Prabhupāda: Kṛṣṇa captured him, [laughs] that "You come to China. You'll be successful." And when you will ask me, I shall go.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: When?
Prabhupāda: Among the higher..., to speak among the higher circle, philosophical, I'll go immediately.
Prabhupāda: [aside] Jaya. [break] ...to change your dress like gentleman.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: That's not difficult.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: That doesn't matter.
Prabhupāda: Both of you become as gentlemen, American gentlemen. Kibā vipra kibā śūdra nyāsī kene naya. Everyone. Yei kṛṣṇa-tattva-vettā sei guru haya [Cc. Madhya 8.128]. [break] We shall talk on the philosophy, or distribution of equal wealth.
Gopāla Kṛṣṇa: Īśāvāsyam idaṁ sarvam [Īśo mantra 1].
Prabhupāda: No, don't quote. Then they will drive you away.
Gopāla Kṛṣṇa: No. [laughter]
Prabhupāda: You talk on reasonable ground, that "You are in favor of giving everyone the same facility. So what do you mean by 'everyone'? Why you are selecting only your countrymen? Why? 'Everyone' means every living being." So what is their answer?
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Yes, we agree to spread communism all over the world, and we'll give everyone equal rights.
Prabhupāda: That's all right. So equal rights, why not to the animals?
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Well, they're not as important, they'll argue. They'll say that they're not as important. They're not so intelligent. They're just animals.
Prabhupāda: Animals, but [indistinct] day that there are many men like animals, so why you are giving facility to them?
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Because they can be elevated to the point of being men again.
Prabhupāda: So elevate them to the right point. Elevate them. You are elevating them only on the platform of eating, sleeping, mating. That is there in the animals. So you have to talk this philosophy. Our philosophy is that expanded---not only human being but animals also. Our philosophy is, if there is one lizard in your room, I should see that he is not starving. This is our philosophy. Not only human being but animals, even an insect. We supply little sugar in the holes of the ant. That is our philosophy. We take any living being is the..., has the same propensity for eating, sleeping. So your economic problem is that "Supply sufficient eating, sleeping." So why not these animals? We have to speak on that platform, that our philosophy is so perfect that we do not neglect even an ant. Make this philosophy. "Why you are limiting within a country or within the human society? Expand it."
Pañcadravida: Prabhupāda, the Chinese don't neglect ants either. They eat them. The Chinese don't neglect the ants either. They eat everything.
Prabhupāda: Then why do they protest when they are eaten by others?
Pañcadravida: [aside:] You'll have to add to the regular [indistinct].
Siddha-svarūpānanda: The greatest difficulty in our preaching in Chinese will not be their receptiveness but our inability to see them as living beings rather than seeing them as Chinese. The Americans... In a sense, anybody who is in the bodily conception at all is going to see them as Chinese rather than living beings, so we'll have a tendency to be prejudicial from the very beginning, think of them as very low. So...
Prabhupāda: No, we don't think anyone as low.
Siddha-svarūpānanda: Yes, so this will be difficult for the preachers, to see them not as Chinese but as actually Kṛṣṇa's servants too.
Prabhupāda: No, no, our devotees will not see like that. Our devotees will not see like that. [break] ...sama-darśinaḥ. Paṇḍitāḥ sama-darśinaḥ [Bg. 5.18]. A paṇḍita is sama-darśī. He does not see anyone as low or high. That is paṇḍita. There is a verse in Bhagavad-gītā, "One who sees Me in everything and everything in Me..." What is that verse?
Gurukṛpā: Yo māṁ paśyati sarvatra.
Hṛdayānanda: Sarvaṁ ca mayi paśyati [Bg. 6.30].
Prabhupāda: Oh, yes. That is wanted. Chinese Communist philosophy, does anybody know? What is that? What philosophy? They have got some philosophy.
Hṛdayānanda: They're emphasizing industrial development. Everyone, the entire country, is mobilized for developing industry, economic benefits, so everyone can enjoy nice material life under...
Prabhupāda: And that is the philosophy of the Western countries.
Siddha-svarūpānanda: Actually there is... There is two factions in the Chinese schools now. One is saying to... They're both materialistically based, but one is trying to stay on a position of self-sufficiency economically and not take from other countries or even trade, and the other school is to industrialize. And they're always fighting with their...
Prabhupāda: Oh, there are two schools?
Siddha-svarūpānanda: And the school who is more for self-sufficiency in agriculture, they also have brought out the... In the last eight years or so they've brought to the surface more spiritual ideas.
Prabhupāda: Hmm. So there is a section who'll support.
Prabhupāda: Who can support our movement.
Prabhupāda: So we have to capture them.
Siddha-svarūpānanda: They are more of a mystic yogī sort of school, I think.
Prabhupāda: Yes, this is also yoga, to chant Hare Kṛṣṇa, Hare Kṛṣṇa, Hare Kṛṣṇa. That is yoga.
Revatīnandana: Actually that's Mao's...
Siddha-svarūpānanda: If their main leader, Mao Tse Tung... He's more of that school, but there are... They call them revisionists. They say they're like the Russians, and that they're just... They're always attacking them for wanting to copy the West. It's their same attack. They attack the Russians for becoming capitalists. They're puritan. They're trying to have pure Communism. They have very great ideals, and the other school wants... They think that they want to get in on the action of the trade and industrialization. But they are actually about equal in power. It's interesting. Right now, actually, it's very hard to get into China because there's a new feud that has come to the surface. There's top leaders that have been taken through the streets, denounced as being materialists, and they've taken their clothes from their wives' closets with mink coats and fancy clothes...
Prabhupāda: No, first of all... We shall first of all try to sell our books without any discussion. "As trade..., as trade representative, we have come. See our book." Go to the professors, go to the... "We have got this support," like that.
Siddha-svarūpānanda: As Vedic culture.
Prabhupāda: Yes. Only for selling book.
Hṛdayānanda: Like Satsvarūpa's men.
Prabhupāda: Yes. [break] ...they accept our books, that means gradually they are accepting our philosophy. Not immediately talk about philosophy. Just ordinary bookseller, you have come. [laughter]
Madhudviṣa: Trojan horse.
Siddha-svarūpānanda: There's... In their schools right now, their colleges, is a center of controversy, education. The one school of thought who are called revisionists---they are compared to the Russians---they say that the schools should be centered almost entirely upon economic development and technology, and that philosophy, Communist philosophy, different... In other words, different debates or thinking more, philosophically inclined people are rejected, so that now there is a fight between whether or not the schools will be centered simply for economic development or whether they're going to be centers of what they call revolutionary activities, thinking, trying to improve their Communist understanding and Communist ideology and more philosophically inclined. So those who are pushing for greater economic development at the expense of their Communist purity or their philosophical understanding, they are now being attacked.
Pañcadravida: As far as trade goes, actually Hong Kong belongs to China. It's on lease to the British government. The lease expires in twenty years or so.
Siddha-svarūpānanda: Eight years.
Pañcadravida: Eight years. But the thing is, it's difficult for them to assume or take part in Hong Kong because it represents something like several million capitalists, which they have no use for in their country. Because they have... For thirty years they've been training people in Communism. Their whole culture is centered around that Chinese language. Our books are in English, but their whole culture is...
Gopāla Kṛṣṇa: Our Chinese Gītā is coming out. It should be ready in two weeks.
Prabhupāda: It is not our policy that the whole country will be on our side. That is not... At least some of them may be interested. That's all.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Yaśodānandana Mahārāja says that the Chinese Bhagavad-gītā is ready for publication.
Gopāla Kṛṣṇa: It's at the printer. It will be ready in two weeks.
Revatīnandana: Another interesting thing about China is that because they have such a huge population, in order to feed the population they've had to turn to production of agricultural products rather than meat.
Prabhupāda: Yes, that is the only way. That is the only way. If you want to make them happy... That we are preaching in the Bhagavad-gītā. Annād bhavanti bhūtāni [Bg. 3.14]. Produce grains. Everyone will eat nicely, and they will be happy.
Revatīnandana: Not only are they producing grains, but because it's so much more economical to produce grains than to produce animals...
Prabhupāda: Yes, that is natural.
Revatīnandana: ...they are largely vegetarian.
Prabhupāda: That is natural.
Revatīnandana: It's a largely vegetarian country out of necessity, which may be good for preaching.
Prabhupāda: Yes. So as soon as you find some hold, you can ask our Revatīnandana Mahārāja also to come there. [break] ...accept that we have come to sell books. To see the bookseller, to see the professors, to see.... That's all.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: My passport is already like a businessman. I already... I was thinking to do this for a long time.
Prabhupāda: And therefore it was burst out last night. Do it. [break]
Siddha-svarūpānanda: ...the statement by the leader, they put out this manifesto or something. He said that the boys should not get married until twenty-five years old, and that they should remain celibate and that they...
Prabhupāda: Chinese people?
Siddha-svarūpānanda: Yes. And they're very strong on celibacy because he said that the... If a person loses semen or if they masturbate or if they unnecessarily use their sexual energy, they'll go insane, that their brains will become very weak, and physically they'll become very weak.
Prabhupāda: Yes. That is a fact.
Siddha-svarūpānanda: In their philosophy, in their basic philosophy of life, the Chinese are very conservative, and they're called puritan. They're described by the Western countries as the most puritan country in the world.
Prabhupāda: So I think this philosophy, no illicit sex, will be very much...
Siddha-svarūpānanda: Yes. They'll very much appreciate that.
Prabhupāda: And if you explain scientifically as you are explaining, that "This will spoil the brain, you cannot take nice things, so you must observe these rules..."
Siddha-svarūpānanda: Part of their culture is basically... It's deeply steeped in what's called Taoism, and it's... An important part of that is retaining the semen for mental power. [break]
Prabhupāda: So give them attention, yes, even at the..., as far as possible. [aside:] Jaya.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: It may be possible for Dhṛṣṭadyumna's father to employ himself and myself in that business. Then I can go...
Prabhupāda: Very easily.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: ...as their sales representative and at the same time be a representative for books...
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: ...because they already can go into China.
Siddha-svarūpānanda: The Chinese are very afraid of the Russians, and they are afraid of the Russians in India. They are afraid of Russian-style communism in India, and Russians having bases.
Siddha-svarūpānanda: A way of preaching is that this Kṛṣṇa consciousness and Vedic communism is the only thing in India that would ultimately defeat the Russian-style communism. Then they would very much appreciate it. If they saw that India would go Communist, then they'd rather have it Vedic communist than Russian Communist. Their theory is that everybody must go Communist for people to be..., feel satisfied. [break]
Madhudviṣa: That's their feeling.
Gopāla Kṛṣṇa: A lot of people come every day.
Prabhupāda: Oh. [Bengali aside] [break] ...be print in a booklet, that will help us.
Gopāla Kṛṣṇa: Yes.
Gopāla Kṛṣṇa: I have all the reviews with me.
Prabhupāda: Hah. So immediately.
Rādhāvallabha: You want the BBT to print, Śrīla Prabhupāda, or Gopāla Kṛṣṇa?
Rādhāvallabha: You want Gopāla Kṛṣṇa to print in India, or you want us to print in Los Angeles?
Prabhupāda: No, India.
Gopāla Kṛṣṇa: We can print in India.
Prabhupāda: What is the wrong in India? [break]
Gopāla Kṛṣṇa: ...getting reviews from big, big people in Delhi, that will be very helpful in Russia. Like the head of the Lok Sabha Research Library is giving a review on the Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam, and other Sanskrit scholars have also been approached, and they've all agreed to give reviews.
Prabhupāda: Take these reviews. You print.
Gopāla Kṛṣṇa: Yes.
Prabhupāda: Print those.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: One of our men in our party did this. Before he even joined the movement, he had already done this for college.
Dhṛṣṭadyumna: Yes. We went to the college, and we found this boy. He had done this for his class. So we said, "Now you come with us."
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: "And be a devotee." Just by reading your books, without ever meeting any devo..., just by reading a book he understood how to do this.
Prabhupāda: It is very nice.
Dhṛṣṭadyumna: Śrīla Prabhupāda, he made Lord Caitanya's...
Prabhupāda: [looking at photos] Oh. Very nice. What is this?
Dhṛṣṭadyumna: This is Rādhā-Dāmodara preaching.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: This is inside our bus, one of our buses. This is the bus. Inside, kīrtana, Deities from that bus. Brahmā dāsa, he is in charge. He is the leader of the bus. They're having kīrtana inside the bus. This is another bus. Ādi-keśava. These are Deities in his bus.
Prabhupāda: Who is this gentleman? Police?
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: This man? He's a military man. This is one of our airport distributors, distributing books. Here is the bus construction. You can see how they're building the buses. That's our head office in-charge, Keśava-bhāratī.
Prabhupāda: Where the head of office? It should...
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Now it's in Phoenix, but it may be shifted soon to New York. Airport distribution. This is the installation of all the Deities you were attending in Chicago. There was a big ceremony.
Prabhupāda: Oh. Chicago? Did I install? No.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Well, you were present on the vyāsāsana...
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: ...when the ceremony was performed. Here is some of our vans and men, Viṣṇujana and Rādhā-Dāmodara. Here's the grandfather of airport book distribution, Tripurāri Mahārāja, dressed as a karmī to distribute in his distribution... You can't tell, but he's wearing a wig. That's Tripurāri there. That's how he looks when he's in the airport. He never misses.
Gurukṛpā: The master of book distribution.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Here's Tripurāri giving a class. Here's a priest buying a Bhagavad-gītā. Gurudāsa Mahārāja preaching on campus. Dhṛṣṭadyumna leading a kīrtana. Here's a television show. That was that television show.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: And this is Kavicandra Prabhu. He's the leader of another bus. These are his Deities, and that is his bus and his men. [break]
Revatīnandana: ...is that they are very interested in health, exercise, dancing, like that. They have huge, mass swoopings of...
Prabhupāda: So introduce this dancing as health exercise dancing.
Revatīnandana: They dance very gracefully. If we dance gracefully, instead of going like this, if we dance like this, they'll actually appreciate, because they have huge groups together, thousands and thousands, all dancing in unison.
Prabhupāda: So why don't you take him also?
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: I think Dhṛṣṭa...
Revatīnandana: No, I think it will be a while before it will be at that stage. At first it will be liquor company representatives. [break]
Prabhupāda: ...you have come?
Madhudviṣa: Wherefrom you have come?
Yaśodānandana: Andhra? More Andhra men. [end]